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History: True or False

Post by Silver on Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:50 pm

Today in my Modern History class we talked about several quotes from famous authors, historians, and other important people in history. One of them was something along the lines of "The winners write history." So are we getting the truth? Or are we getting lies about what happened in the past?

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Masquerade on Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:33 pm

Strange. I was thinking about this the other day. History doesn't exist, in my opinion...well, it does, but we are unaware of the true history. That line is true: history is written by the winners, for we never get to hear both sides of a story. The only way someone can TRULY know is by being there. We can speculate that something MIGHT be VERY LIKELY, but that doesn't mean it's true. And that piece of information may have more history behind it than we know. But just because our history is composed of lies, or at mildest, half-truths, that doesn't mean it's not interesting to learn about because I think history is very intriguing.

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Cerani on Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:23 pm

Ah, history. I don't want to start rambling so my point is pretty much what Masq said, with the addition that whatever is true eventually so muddled like so many Chinese whispers. With each retelling, it becomes harder and harder to find the real truth. Which is why I propose we invent a time machine. The point here being demonstrated by the words of the Doctor: "I'm a time traveler, I point and laugh at archaeologists."

So yeah, I guess I just reiterated what Masq said. The only way we'd know what actually happened is if we were somehow able to be there as it happened.

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Re: History: True or False

Post by JCM on Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:39 pm

Im sure humans have twisted the truth a bit but doesnt it matter only who won not how?

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Masquerade on Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:59 pm

Oh, we don't care how the winners won, but we're still interested to see what the losers were up to and what the true story behind the conflicts, not the half-worthless pieces of crap we're taught today. It's just, it's pointless to learn something that has partial truths and partial lies. We need the complete truth, which is lost in time at the moment until we manage to create a time machine. Then we could sort out what is truth, what is false, and then create a perfect history curriculum. Ahhh...sounds great, though we're probably centuries away from a time machine, if not millennia.

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Via on Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:53 am

I never understood how history worked .... Like where did they get that ________ won the battle of _______ .... and what stumps me even more is how there are so much details ... Idk if it's just me but how do you know all that isn't a lie?
History was never my favorite subject .... Too many dates and etc.. But yeah

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Masquerade on Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:43 am

Uh, Via. People DID keep records of important events, you know. It's not all lies, only some of it. Historians spend their entire lives looking at these records in order to get the facts, which are only partially true because it's usually the winners who get to write the record...unless there is a firsthand account of the event written from someone else's point of view, like that of an innocent bystander.

Oh, and history is all about chronology. Things happen in a certain order, and if you remember what order things happened in, you don't have to worry about all the dates. I can guarantee it. I passed all of my high school history classes without having to remember a single date. Sure, I had to keep the years in mind, but those are easy.

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Zerifachias on Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:55 pm

I'm sure that the "Second Coming of Christ" will be had before anyone in the world even attempts to create a time machine. If you get what I mean, good for you. If not, basically we will all be dead by the time a time machine can be made or planned, and by then, who cares?

Besides, if someone made a time machine and used it, then they would most likely be talking about it in the past, right? And if so, historians would have written down something about time travellers. Seeing as how that has not happened, I doubt time machines will ever be created.

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Masquerade on Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:51 pm

This is about history being true or false, Zeri, not about whether time machines will exist in the future or not. Though I must disagree with you unless you have psychic powers and can see the future. =p Then again, you only said you 'doubted' it, but it could happen. We know not of the rules of time travel (if it does exist in the future) or the technology available to help with following those rules. The future, to those in the present, is only a net of possibilities. And it seems that the past is also the same, seeing as how we only know certain facts that might not even be the full truth. I always imagine that we either figure out if we live long enough to see the time machine, or we die. Well, if you wind up in Heaven, anyway. I doubt Satan would be happy to divulge the details and wisdom of the past upon you...X-x As for just living right now, all we can do is follow what we have decided is history, learn what we have decided is history, and learn from what we have decided is history.

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Re: History: True or False

Post by Zero-Machine on Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:04 pm

If there's proof, it's the right history. For almost everything in our textbooks, there's scientific proof it happened and this person made it happen. Now, whether or not we have it 100% accurate is still to be left to the Gods, but the mistakes of the past are important o learn, so they are not repeated. So, we are not being fed any lies about the overall timeline, but the specifics of times like the Medieval Era or the American revolution are... TBA

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